Identification, Self expression, Conformity and a rant

Monday, December 1st, 2008

[A quick note about the Happiness Coaching: It's still going on but it's taking me a long time to work through.  I haven't abandoned it but I'm having to respect my limits to avoid burnout.]

Getting dressed

The Urban Panther (UP) started a debate about appropriate clothing, and as with so many of her wonderful posts I ended up getting my buttons pressed.  Rather than rant all over her beautiful blog I decided to try and write out my thoughts here in a slightly more coherent form.

My main point is that the clothes you wear play a very important role over and above keeping us covered and warm.  They are not just about protection from the elements, though they do this very well in some cases, but about identifying us as belonging to a particular group, or indeed groups.

Goths, punks, geeks, rockers, mods, chavs, old style film gangsters, professionals, blue-collar workers, red hat ladies, scouts, school kids, uni students, furries, LARPers, trekkies, hikers, footy fans, Harajuku girls, cosplayers, … (yikes, you get the point, right?)  They all identify themselves as being part of the group by what they wear.  I’ve sometimes wished I had clothing that could allow me to identify myself better to others (any ideas for relaxed-urban-gay-geek-fashion-hating-intelligent-gamer menswear?)

An offensive outfit

When someone wears something that offends you, it’s probably got more to do with what’s associated with the outfit, than the actual outfit itself.  The point made by UP was that it was disrespectful (in her opinion) for a young girl to wear “a tight t-shirt and even tighter sweat pants with ABERCROMBIE stamped across her ass” to a funeral. I agree with this, as did most commentators, but I do so from the assumption that she wore what she would normally wear around the house or with friends.

If she were to tell you that she bought these clothes especially for the funeral, or that they were her best clothes that she always wore only to important occasions, or that they were clothes she always wore to visit the deceased, would you feel the same way?  What if it was the expected outfit worn by those with whom she identified when attending a funeral – could it then be compared to outfits worn by people from different cultures?  Certainly this argument is weaker when it’s a young girl – her culture is very much still that of her parents/family or the teenage exploration/rebellion outside of that, but even then you have no way of being sure that her choice of clothing is not one made with the greatest of respect to the deceased, if not to others in the room.

A tangential point

In the comments great debate surrounded suitable attire for work and whether people should be judged by their clothing.

This particularly got me riled, because it is something that I have strong opinions on.

I used to think that I didn’t care about the clothes I wore.  Then I realised that there actually were clothes I wouldn’t wear.  This was a big deal for me.

Think about it a second, if there are clothes you won’t wear, then clearly you do care about what you wear.

So I started to see that I had an image I gave to others.  And that my image was important to me, despite the fact that part of that image was rejecting the importance of image over substance.  So I started to be able to make choices about my image that represented me to the world.

I wore corporate attire when I wanted to belong to the corporate world.  If I attended a dance rehearsal wearing a full suit & tie I would get some pretty odd looks (though it has been done, by an ex-member of our group who was a manager at a menswear store and had come straight from work).

When it comes to meeting clients, I avoid wearing smart clothes now.  It’s my velvet red ribbon.  It’s my brand.  It’s my image.  I only want to work with clients who judge me by my work, not my clothes.  I want them to give me work that I can do at home, when it suits me, and not work that involves me meeting clients.  My image is part of this.  It represents who I am, what I am comfortable with.  I make a purposeful stand away from corporate clothing as a way of signalling that I do not want to play the corporate game.  Does this mean I lose potential work sometimes?  I’m sure it does.  As does the way I talk, behave, sound, work, and other forms of communication & interaction.  The point is that I don’t actually want that work anyway.  My challenge is to find a way to support my lifestyle without making compromises on these areas.  It’s not easy, but for me it’s important and it’s worth it.

Others prefer corporate life for the benefits that it brings them.  They dress appropriately.  As do I.  My work at the moment is almost exclusively from the corporate world.  I do not dress in corporate attire, I am still dressed appropriately.

Personal choices in clothing

Part of my exploration of myself this last year involves looking at what I wear, what clothes I have that actually reflect who I am and what I feel.  I notice that a lot of what I wear is by default, it doesn’t reflect me and I don’t like it.  It’s pretty safe however, so for now it acts as a temporary stop-gap.

What would I wear to a funeral?  It depends on who I am attending as.  Am I going as my parents’ son?  My boyfriend’s boyfriend?  Myself?  Out of respect for my family or boyfriend I might adapt my outfit for the first two.  For the latter, it would be based entirely on how I felt.  And if I were being forced to attend the funeral of someone I didn’t know just because my parents felt it would make them look bad if I didn’t go?  Hmm, scraggy jeans, ripped suede shoes and a baggy casual shirt sound just perfect.

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15 comments

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geek dude!

i so remember the first time i heard about you was when havi was quoting you: “i’m not really a *blogger*”

dude you are so a blogger! and congrats again on the beautiful site. and the care with which you address your thoughts and feelings. and loved the punch line. empathy, compassion, and a sense of humor will get you far, brother!

peace,

chas

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December 1st, 2008 at 7:48 pm
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Thanks, Chas!

I’ve been feeling a bit low recently around the blogging (and coaching, and shiva nata, and life stuff…). I’m now feeling a little bit brighter and a little less guilt-laden.

With all these compliments, you really are spoiling us, ambassador!
(Ferrero Rocher reference may not translate to US – sorry)

December 1st, 2008 at 11:21 pm
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I’m so about the clothing. I remember a career-finding session at the end of university where we talked about important values and I said that I’d never take a job that required a suit.

People attacked me for that saying that I was limiting my world too much and that sometimes we need to do things we don’t want to do to fit in. I said that if a job required a suit then it wasn’t the right job for me – too constricting.

Eeek! Your comment field doesn’t expand! I’m typing this blind!

Alex Fayle | Someday Syndrome’s last blog post..Success Comes from Slow Change: Leo Babauta Interview

December 2nd, 2008 at 8:01 am
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Huzzah for the rejection of suits! People who say you have to do things you don’t want to have compromised, and maybe that’s right for them, but I know that right now it is wrong for me. (Hey you people, stop assuming everyone is like you!)

Thanks for the heads up on the comment field. I’ll see if I can fix that somehow…more CSS fiddling commences! :)

December 2nd, 2008 at 4:13 pm
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Oh good post! And you made an excellent point about whether young Miss Thang was actually dressed up and paying respect from her perspective.

You know, I had more to say, but then realized it is yet another post. Hey, we are playing blog tennis. It will be about how my outfits have changed over the years. Not based on the fashions at the time (dear lord the eighties!) but how they reflected where I was at.

Oh ya, this will be an interesting post. And of course, I’ll link love back to this one.

Huh, some really good points here! See what happens when you rant in a calm fashion? *grin*

Urban Panther’s last blog post..The day Christmas grossed me out

December 3rd, 2008 at 1:27 am
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(your comment area indeed doesn’t scroll/expand, so I wrote this in a text editor and pasted it in. Hopefully it will all fit. It must be something in your template, I think?)

I love the idea of clothing as (part of) your personal velvet rope. And Alex’s comment that he wouldn’t take any job that required him to wear a suit. I feel the same way about my work, which is mostly done via phone and web so doesn’t require much client meeting anyway. I’m not a suit person, and would resent having to wear one every day (then again, I wouldn’t work at Hooters either, for a variety of reasons, but one of which is the required (lack of) attire).

However, what I’m just starting to realize is that I also want to wear clothes that make me feel (and possibly even look) good — not merely un-bad. Yes, some days this means pajamas until 3pm as I’m madly tweeting/blogging/conference calling. And I’m OK with that. But I found that I was mentally dividing my clothes into “good enough to leave the house in” and “comfy enough to wear at home” categories. Kinda like wearing a mask (physical or psychological) to leave the house. And I want to be the same me, the real me, whether I’m at home or shopping or working or playing with my kids.

So I’m still exploring and discovering what clothing fits the real me. There are definitely clothes I won’t wear, and I have some preferences, but honestly, this fashion-challenged person would pay for some personal clothing advice that really fit the real me. Although I’m still figuring out who that is (well, aren’t we all?).

Thanks for ranting, James!

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December 3rd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
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@UP – blog tennis FTW! You and Havi both make me want to write stuff in response with almost every post, but often the effort of working through all the ideas that come up overwhelms me! Kinda sad really :(

@Wendy – I’ve always been amused by my bf’s choice to have indoor clothes and outdoor clothes. I’ve always just worn what I considered nice clothes whatever I’m doing (though this included DIY and cooking, which I have since learnt is not always a good idea). It makes getting ready to go out a lot easier!

@Alex & Wendy – the comment box should be fixed now, after a little CSS fiddling! Thanks very much for the heads up.

December 3rd, 2008 at 8:51 pm
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@James – oh dear no. Please don’t be sad! Maybe headachy from all that thinking, but not sad! Think karaoke. Better yet, think the Urbane Lion doing karaoke. Trust me, you can’t stay sad listening to that. Okay, a bit headachy perhaps, but definitely not sad.

Urban Panther’s last blog post..Birch bark

December 6th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
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All people are judgemental to various degrees.

When you experience a paradigm shift first hand it’s a lesson you seldom forget. Stephen Covey’s ‘Seven Habits’ has a great example of this when he recalls the story of a man on a tube with his unruly children.

You cannot control how others interpret you, your presentation, your dialogue and your mannerisms. Why should you? If that girl wore that outfit as a sign of respect for some memory she shared with the deceased immediately you change your opinion of her motivation; from disrespect to respect.

I remember a HR director not hiring a brilliant candidate because she wore purple tights. My old boss had multiple piercings in his ears and they nearly missed him… the guy was a genius and highly thought of by his peers and subordinates. I worshipped the ground he walked on.

It doesn’t matter what you do you cannot please everyone and realistically there IS only one person you need to please… yourself.

I had a lady take an instant dislike to me because I was ‘too happy’… should I be morose to please her?

My advice… dress sexy if you want to FEEL sexy, dress powerfully if you want to FEEL powerful. Wear the clothes because of how they make YOU FEEL.

December 8th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
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@UP – mistranslation (UK-CA) me thinks, I meant that it’s a bit pathetic that I get overwhelmed by all the ideas. It doesn’t make me sad, though I do sometimes panic at the enormity of the stuff I don’t get.

I just have to remember that I do have things I can be getting on with before I have everything worked out (cause, you know, that won’t happen). Also need to remind myself that I promised myself a good proper rest in December and not to jump into full throttle mode again.

Karaoke en français! Or, ça serait trop bon!

December 11th, 2008 at 10:09 am
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Clothes definitely are part of the velvet red rope. I’ve always been known for wearing dramatic clothes – my coat and shawl this year have drawn a lot of comments and looks of one sort or another. I’ve been told it might be attention-seeking but actually, I think clothing often expresses our basic personality. Do we want to play safe and conform? Do we want to be dramatic and creative with our looks? It’s a really interesting question.

P.S. I love your blog. Urban geek chic!

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December 11th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
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Being offended by the girl at the funeral may be understandable, but ultimately I feel that it is your problem and not hers.
For instance, personally I struggle with women wearing a chador because of my cultural beliefs and the clash this embodies. however despite how uncomfortable this might make me feel, I feel that it is my burden to work out. I don’t have right to define what anyone else should wear ever.. which I guess could be considered ironic.
This can get really deep, because it comes down to cultural tolerance, which we assume is a good thing, but how can we really tolerate without limits? Are we not defined as much by what we don’t tolerate as what we do?

Ok it got late and now I’m rambling rather than writing my own blog post… bah!

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December 12th, 2008 at 1:08 am
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@Joely – 1) I now want to see a photo – so not fair!
2) For me the clothing question is very much tied up with the identity question (and my god is it a question)
3) The blog love is entirely mutual, and that’s not a platitude – “splat on the internet” and “screwing this up” actually make me jealous, which if taken the wrong way could sound really sick.

@Elsa – “are we not defined as much by what we don’t tolerate as what we do?” Good (rhetorical) question!

I guess the thing here would be that I can tolerate the clothes themselves, but in the context they make a very loud and obvious message at a time of quiet reflection. It is this (assumed) non-verbal broadcasting over the event which is not tolerated, and it would only make matters worse to act out against it.

December 13th, 2008 at 1:00 am
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@James I’ll have to get somebody to take a photo of the Magnificent Coat. It has its own identity I think. Sometimes I worry I’m not good enough for it, and it’s embarrassed by me. Now *that’s* a self-esteem problem.

Going splat on the internet has done a lot for me. So it’s now my journey through the splat, and other associated stories. It’s very liberating! Thank you.

Joely Black’s last blog post..The after-splat (or) naked in Times Square holding a bullhorn

December 13th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
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@Joely – I’ve been thinking that I need a new coat for a while, maybe you can inspire me to go and find one.

December 13th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

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